you are going to save social security and medicare and yet you are going to do it by cutting into certain taxloophole one loophole, where are you, bill? ask him the question. >> bill: listen, any comes in for an interview i certainly will: >> bill: do you believe in the political axiom that perception is relation? do you believe in that? >> i believe -- i believe certainly perception is reality to a certain extent. but only -- >> bill: only make your mistakes. i think president obama making the same mistake you are making. wait a minute, you will get your reply. president obama made the same mistake you are making on the factor right now. he is too wonkish. he came across a professor. he wanted to explain what people in tucson, arizona, they are suffering because they lost their homework. and he is going to find it for them. and people going we just want the broad picture here. we have a capitalist free market tier, rom anything, quasieuropean top-down economy guy. obama. most voters are not going to get involved like you do. they are not going to nurture the details of the tax plan. >> y